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Welcome to Out of Order – a German Marshall Fund podcast discussing how our world was, is, and will be ordered. How do we save democracy, reason, rule of law and global cooperation? And why do some people not want to? Much-maligned experts try to come up with answers, at outoforder.gmfus.org/ and here.

Co-hosted by a German in America and an American in Germany the Out of Order podcast brings together different international experts from the German Marshall Fund of the United States and beyond to talk about politics, economics, technology and everything else that might help us understand our disordered world.

Oct 26, 2018

Trade is back in the spotlight, and the U.S. is at the center of a building international showdown. A combative economic agenda is now being realized as the Trump administration disrupts trade relations with allies and adversaries alike. From the torpedoed TPP, new NAFTA, tariffs on steel, aluminum, and potentially autos, and even suggestions that the U.S. could leave the WTO – who wins and who loses in this new landscape, and where can constructive compromises be made? Is there a common transatlantic trade agenda in dealing with China, and are we heading for a US-China economic decoupling or even a new Cold War?

On the latest episode of GMF’s Out of Order podcast, we’ll deconstruct the current state of international trade—from micro to macro-- with the foremost expert on the matter, Georgetown law professor Jennifer Hillman. Hillman has served as a member of the WTO’s Appellate Body, as commissioner of the US International Trade Commission, and as General Counsel at the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, among many other roles. Also joining host Peter Sparding this week in Washington, GMF’s senior transatlantic fellow Andrew Small, resident expert on China’s foreign and economic policy.

Think or Tank Links:

Andrew Small: Vice President Mike Pence's Remarks on the Administration's Policy Towards China

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Jennifer Hillman: Failure to Adjust How Americans Got Left Behind in the Global Economy by Edward Alden

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Peter Sparding: The Rigging of American Politics by Ezra Klein

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Bonus Content:

Testimony Of Jennifer Hillman Professor From Practice, Georgetown University Law Center Before The U.S.-China Economic And Review Security Commission Hearing On U.S. Tools To Address Chinese Market Distortions

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