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Out of Order is a German Marshall Fund podcast about how our world was, is, and will be ordered. The Out of Order podcast brings together experts from the German Marshall Fund of the United States and beyond to talk about politics, economics, technology and everything else that might help us understand our disordered world.

May 28, 2020

On this week’s episode of Post Pandemic Order, host Julie Smith discusses the coronavirus and disruptions in the global energy market with Meghan O’Sullivan the Jeane Kirkpatrick Professor of the Practice of International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School where she also directs the Geopolitics of Energy Project.

The insight-packed 20 minute conversation dives into the pandemic’s effect on energy trends, the international energy transition, the state of international cooperation on energy issues, and much more.

Meghan O’Sullivan served in the Bush administration as a special assistant to President George W. Bush and deputy national security advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan. Meghan has published a number of books, including her latest Windfall: How the New Energy Abundance Upends Global Politics and Strengthens America's Power. Meghan is also a member of the German Marshall Fund’s board.